From rapaport@cse.Buffalo.EDU Wed Apr 11 08:59:54 2007 Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (root@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3BCxsPO010236; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (root@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.14]) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3BCxnSx022466 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3BCxnh5010232; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l3BCxnbi010231; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:59:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "William J. Rapaport" Message-Id: <200704111259.l3BCxnbi010231@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> To: cse584-sp07-list@listserv.buffalo.edu, david.pierce@gd-ais.com, snerg@cse.Buffalo.EDU Subject: RECURSIVE THINKING AND METACOGNITION X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 Status: RO Content-Length: 355 Some of you might find the following article on what is sometimes called "metacognition" of interest: Corballis, Michael C. (2007), "The Uniqueness of Human Recursive Thinking", American Scientist 95(3) (May-June): 240-248. http://tinyurl.com/34lrdg or: http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~rapaport/Papers/Papers.by.Others/corballis07-recThinking-amersci.html From jpkoenig@buffalo.edu Wed Apr 11 09:45:19 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3BDjIuM013720 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front2.acsu.buffalo.edu (upfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.4.140]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3BDjB49063082 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5955 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 13:45:11 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 13:45:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 10636 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 13:45:10 -0000 Received: from smtp1.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.84) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 13:45:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 14998 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 13:45:10 -0000 Received: from cast-jpkoenig.caset.buffalo.edu (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (128.205.97.191) by smtp1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 13:45:10 -0000 Message-ID: <461CE665.7080608@buffalo.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:45:09 -0400 From: Jean-Pierrre Koenig User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Rapaport" CC: cse584-sp07-list@listserv.buffalo.edu, david.pierce@gd-ais.com, snerg@cse.Buffalo.EDU Subject: Re: RECURSIVE THINKING AND METACOGNITION References: <200704111259.l3BCxnbi010231@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> In-Reply-To: <200704111259.l3BCxnbi010231@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UB-Relay: (cast-jpkoenig.caset.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3067/Wed Apr 11 06:21:12 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 943 William J. Rapaport wrote: >Some of you might find the following article on what is sometimes >called "metacognition" of interest: > >Corballis, Michael C. (2007), "The Uniqueness of Human Recursive Thinking", >American Scientist 95(3) (May-June): 240-248. >http://tinyurl.com/34lrdg > >or: > >http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~rapaport/Papers/Papers.by.Others/corballis07-recThinking-amersci.html > > > > For fun, some of you might want to look at the hot debate about whether recursion is a necessary property of human languages (a defining property for Chomsky et al). If interested, let me know, I can provide refs. Best, JP -- Jean-Pierre Koenig Associate Professor Director of Graduate Studies Linguistics Dept. 609 Baldy Hall University at Buffalo The State University of New York Buffalo, NY, 14260-1030 Phone: (716) 645-2177 (ext. 717) Fax: (716) 645-3825 jpkoenig@buffalo.edu http://linguistics.buffalo.edu/people/faculty/koenig/ From rapaport@cse.Buffalo.EDU Wed Apr 11 11:33:16 2007 Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3BFXFwP021485; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l3BFXF72021484; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "William J. Rapaport" Message-Id: <200704111533.l3BFXF72021484@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> To: jpkoenig@buffalo.edu, rapaport@cse.Buffalo.EDU Subject: Re: RECURSIVE THINKING AND METACOGNITION Cc: cse584-sp07-list@listserv.buffalo.edu, david.pierce@gd-ais.com, snerg@cse.Buffalo.EDU Status: R Content-Length: 971 JP Koenig wrote: | From jpkoenig@buffalo.edu Wed Apr 11 09:45:23 2007 | For fun, some of you might want to look at the hot debate about whether | recursion is a necessary property of human languages (a defining | property for Chomsky et al). If interested, let me know, I can provide refs. So can I :-) Here are three: Nowak, Martin A.; Komarova, Natalia L.; & Niyogi, Partha (2002), "Computational and Evolutionary Aspects of Language", Nature 417 (6 June): 611-617. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n6889/pdf/nature00771.pdf Hauser, Marc D.; Chomsky, Noam; & Fitch, W. Tecumsah (2002), "The Faculty of Language: What Is It, Who Has It, and How Did It Evolve?", Science 298(5598) (22 November): 1569-1579. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/sci;298/5598/1569.pdf A reply to Hauser et al.: Bever, Thomas; & Montalbetti, Mario (2002), "Noam's Ark", Science 298(5598) (22 November): 1565-1566. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/298/5598/1565.pdf From jpkoenig@buffalo.edu Wed Apr 11 11:57:47 2007 Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (root@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3BFvktQ023357; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.79]) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3BFvhlJ026621 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front2.acsu.buffalo.edu (upfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.4.140]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3BFvcdX072386 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9761 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 15:57:38 -0000 Received: from mailscan3.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.135) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 15:57:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 21181 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 15:57:38 -0000 Received: from smtp5.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.5) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 15:57:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 12525 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 15:57:37 -0000 Received: from cast-jpkoenig.caset.buffalo.edu (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (128.205.97.191) by smtp5.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 15:57:37 -0000 Message-ID: <461D0571.3030102@buffalo.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:57:37 -0400 From: Jean-Pierrre Koenig User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "William J. Rapaport" CC: cse584-sp07-list@listserv.buffalo.edu, david.pierce@gd-ais.com, snerg@cse.Buffalo.EDU Subject: Re: RECURSIVE THINKING AND METACOGNITION References: <200704111533.l3BFXF72021484@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> In-Reply-To: <200704111533.l3BFXF72021484@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-UB-Relay: (cast-jpkoenig.caset.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1335; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3068/Wed Apr 11 09:12:33 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: R Content-Length: 1664 William J. Rapaport wrote: >JP Koenig wrote: >| From jpkoenig@buffalo.edu Wed Apr 11 09:45:23 2007 > >| For fun, some of you might want to look at the hot debate about whether >| recursion is a necessary property of human languages (a defining >| property for Chomsky et al). If interested, let me know, I can provide refs. > >So can I :-) Here are three: > >Nowak, Martin A.; Komarova, Natalia L.; & Niyogi, Partha (2002), >"Computational and Evolutionary Aspects of Language", Nature 417 (6 >June): 611-617. >http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n6889/pdf/nature00771.pdf > >Hauser, Marc D.; Chomsky, Noam; & Fitch, W. Tecumsah (2002), "The >Faculty of Language: What Is It, Who Has It, and How Did It Evolve?", >Science 298(5598) (22 November): 1569-1579. >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/sci;298/5598/1569.pdf > >A reply to Hauser et al.: >Bever, Thomas; & Montalbetti, Mario (2002), "Noam's Ark", Science >298(5598) (22 November): 1565-1566. >http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/298/5598/1565.pdf > > > > There is also a reply to Hauser et al. by Jackendoff and Pinker in Cognition: The nature of the language faculty and its implications for evolution of language (Reply to Fitch, Hauser, and Chomsky) • DISCUSSION /Cognition/, /Volume 97, Issue 2/, /September 2005/, /Pages 211-225/ Ray Jackendoff and Steven Pinker -- Jean-Pierre Koenig Associate Professor Director of Graduate Studies Linguistics Dept. 609 Baldy Hall University at Buffalo The State University of New York Buffalo, NY, 14260-1030 Phone: (716) 645-2177 (ext. 717) Fax: (716) 645-3825 jpkoenig@buffalo.edu http://linguistics.buffalo.edu/people/faculty/koenig/