From owner-cse584-sp07-list@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Tue Apr 17 20:51:43 2007 Received: from ares.cse.buffalo.edu (ares.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.79]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3I0pg3l026158 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front1.acsu.buffalo.edu (coldfront.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.6.89]) by ares.cse.buffalo.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3I0pepo074609 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1049 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2007 00:51:40 -0000 Received: from mailscan6.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.95) by front1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 18 Apr 2007 00:51:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 270 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2007 00:51:39 -0000 Received: from deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.57) by front2.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 18 Apr 2007 00:51:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 1041 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2007 00:51:33 -0000 Received: from listserv.buffalo.edu (128.205.7.35) by deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 18 Apr 2007 00:51:33 -0000 Received: by LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 14.5) with spool id 4801693 for CSE584-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:51:33 -0400 Delivered-To: CSE584-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Received: (qmail 1539 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2007 00:51:32 -0000 Received: from mailscan4.acsu.buffalo.edu (128.205.6.136) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 18 Apr 2007 00:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 24141 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2007 00:51:32 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.buffalo.edu (128.205.32.14) by smtp5.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 18 Apr 2007 00:51:32 -0000 Received: from castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (rapaport@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id l3I0pVFD026149 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rapaport@localhost) by castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.13.6/8.12.9/Submit) id l3I0pV0Q026148 for CSE584-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:51:31 -0400 (EDT) X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 7% Message-ID: <200704180051.l3I0pV0Q026148@castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:51:31 -0400 Reply-To: "William J. Rapaport" Sender: "Philosophy of Computer Science, Spring 2007" From: "William J. Rapaport" Subject: Re: hawkins on "why can't a computer be more like a brain" To: CSE584-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-UB-Relay: (castor.cse.buffalo.edu) X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: castor.cse.Buffalo.EDU 1335; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3111/Tue Apr 17 20:01:43 2007 on ares.cse.buffalo.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: NotJunk $NotJunk X-UID: 14872 Content-Length: 1276 Albert wrote: | Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:21:21 -0400 | From: Albert Goldfain | Subject: hawkins on "why can't a computer be more like a brain" | To: CSE584-SP07-LIST@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU | | an interesting (and recent) perspective on the emulation/simulation | question (i.e., should our computational models try to emulate or | simulate the biological systems they are models of): | | http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/apr07/4982 I started to read this, and one comment by Hawkins stood out. He criticizes Turing for wanting to simulate, rather than emulate, the human brain. But Turing also wanted to do emulation. For a nice summary of Turing's contributions to CS and to AI, as well as a pointer to the article (not on line) in which he suggests doing emulation, see: Leiber, Justin (2006), "Turing's Golden: How Well Turing's Work Stands Today" Philosophical Psychology 19(1): 13-46. http://tinyurl.com/2glrzo (Try that URL from a buffalo.edu machine. If it fails, then go through the Library's Electronic Journals portal for Philosophical Psychology.) In particular, take a look at Sect. 3. Turing's Test Tested. (Leiber, by the way, is a well-known philosopher and the son of Fritz Leiber, a celebrated science fiction author.)